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Christian Hedonism (John Piper)?

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Please listen with me to John Piper's sermon God Is Most Glorified in Us When We Are Most Satisfied in Him from DesiringGod.org, trying to understand what it is that this pastor calls Christian Hedonism, and why is it important, and why we should buy into it?

Is what John Piper talks about here part of your daily experience with God? If so, please share your experience, otherwise, why not?

 
Posté : 2016-07-04 10:11
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How would you respond to Piper's handling of Philippians 1:12-26 (ESV) as a basis of Christian Hedonism?

Please refer to John Piper's sermon God Is Most Glorified in Us When We Are Most Satisfied in Him from DesiringGod.org.

 
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How would you respond to John Piper's statement about what is hell: "Christian Hedonism changes how we think of hell. Since the way to be saved and go to heaven is to embrace Jesus as your source of greatest joy, hell is a place of suffering, a place of eternal unhappiness, prepared for people who refuse to be happy in the triune God"?

Please refer yourself to John Piper's sermon God Is Most Glorified in Us When We Are Most Satisfied in Him from DesiringGod.org.

 
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Does your faith in Christ bring joy to your everyday life? If so please share your thoughts and experience. If not, what would you need to add to your understanding of what Christianity is all about to live a joyful life in Christ?

Please refer yourself to John Piper's sermon God Is Most Glorified in Us When We Are Most Satisfied in Him from DesiringGod.org.

 
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I found additional resources to help discussing John Piper's teaching on what he calls Christian Hedonism. Feel free to comment these resources and to suggest more. I will also be adding more resources immediately below if and when I stumble upon any:

Luke Simons' article God is Most Glorified in Us When We Are Most Satisfied in Him at Faithful and Fruitful has drawn my attention to additional resources for studying what John Piper intends to convey through his teaching about what he calls Christian Hedonism:

 

Edited October 5, 2023: removal of broken links.

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Posté : 2016-07-04 12:14
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John Piper says: "Christian Hedonism says, God is most glorified in you when you are most satisfied in him. That’s the shortest summary of what we mean by Christian Hedonism. If that is true, then there is no conflict between your greatest exhilaration and God’s greatest glorification." How does this help resolve the difficulty with what some perceive as God's self exaltation?

Please refer yourself to John Piper's sermon God Is Most Glorified in Us When We Are Most Satisfied in Him from DesiringGod.org.

 
Posté : 2016-07-05 03:51
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How would you respond to John Piper's quoting C.S. Lewis in the following terms: "I think we delight to praise what we enjoy because the praise not merely expresses but completes the enjoyment; it is its appointed consummation. It is not out of compliment that lovers keep on telling one another how beautiful they are; the delight is incomplete till it is expressed (Lewis, Reflections on the Psalms [Brace and World, 1958], 93–95)"?

 
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Consider this extract from Piper's notes for God Is Most Glorified in Us When We Are Most Satisfied in Him from DesiringGod.org:
That’s the biblical basis for Christian Hedonism: God is most glorified in us when we are most satisfied in him.

And this really was already implicit in the second message in this series. God created the world for the praise of the glory of his grace displayed supremely in the death of Jesus. Which means that the pursuit of his own praise reaches its climax at the place where it does us the most good, the cross. At the cross God upholds his glory and provides our forgiveness. At the cross God vindicates his own honor and secures our happiness. At the cross God magnifies his own worth and satisfies our soul.

In the greatest act of history, Christ made it come true for undeserving sinners that God could be most glorified in us by our being most satisfied in him.

Do we get the point that Christ's dying on the cross made it come true for you and I that God is most glorified in us when we are most satisfied in him? Are we gripped by this reality of Christ securing our current and eternal happiness this way?

Please share any insights you found useful in coming to grips with this truth, either here, or amongst your acquaintances, today even.

 
Posté : 2016-07-05 04:21
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I'd now like to come back to this discussion thread's opening post (OP), by first of all quoting it: Please listen with me to John Piper's sermon God Is Most Glorified in Us When We Are Most Satisfied in Him from DesiringGod.org, trying to understand what it is that this pastor calls Christian Hedonism, and why is it important, and why we should buy into it? Is what John Piper talks about here part of your daily experience with God? If so, please share your experience, otherwise, why not?
Now, "understanding" what Christian Hedonism as thought by John Piper has not only a conceptual aspect, but also a very practical one. So far, this thread has been for the most part focused in conceptual understanding. We will now turn to the practical understanding of this truth.

Please listen anew to this sermon, paying close attention to its second half, where he proposes a number of examples of what it changes to truly buy into Christian Hedonism, i.e. that God is most glorified in us when we are most satisfied in Him. It may be helpful for you to turn to the sermon notes, reading section 4, "Christian Hedonism changes everything: 11 illustrations." These illustrations cover the way we face death, our understanding of what conversion really is about, the fight of faith, combating evil, what is hell, self-denial, money, corporate worship, disability and weakness, love, and what the Christian Ministry is all about.

Please share some blessing you experienced from the impact of Christian Hedonism in your life on any one of these practical aspects.

 
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